Johann kirjoitti:tommi kirjoitti:So when you say "untrained mind", you mean something more specific still, untrained "in the sense of Dhamma"? So what does that mean?
Tommi, normal education (worldly education) is about learning concepts and ways of thinking and its also about remembering them. One does not train to observe mind, one is not trained to observe inside the frame of references.
Most parts are actually fully in the other direction. It does not mean that there are certain trainings in concentration but as told, also a hunter is trained in concentration (samadhi).
This still sounds a bit vague. What do you think is the "correct stage" for watching the earlier mentioned YouTube video, for example?
Johann kirjoitti:tommi kirjoitti:So are you now saying that the quote you posted regarding the 11th boddhisattva root downfall (based on Tsongkhapa's commentary) is incorrect? If you think it is incorrect then why did you post it here in the first place?
No, it means that it actually has also a second reason, a coloring, which does not fit to the original problem/danger. Although this colored intention would prevent for doing wrong in regard of the uncolored.
That means that the precept it self is correct, while the commentary is incorrect in its detail end partly (when one looks at the motivation) even against a Bodhisattva-intention. How ever, at least it could prevent others form giving them a field of ripping, even ones own intentions, why not giving such a field, is not wholesome at least.
So are you saying that when you first posted the Tsongkhapa commentary, you meant it as an example of a wrong interpretation? So what makes you think that Tsongkhapa is wrong and you are right?
Johann kirjoitti:You would not find one and you would not find many "Starter classes" where this is not the main discussion point.
What is this "main discussion point"? Are you saying that in almost all buddhist communities the main discussion point is how to misuse the concept of emptiness, for example "it doesn't matter if you steal or are violent, because everything is empty anyway"?