Being an Ex-Buddhist Monk

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Johann
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Re: Being an Ex-Buddhist Monk

ViestiKirjoittaja Johann » 22 Maalis 2014 03:43

jee kirjoitti:Anyone can always live as a recluse in a cave if (s)he likes.

I don't think so *smile* Try it. I fear 99,5% could not even live without handy and electricity not to speak of not gaining food like this or that...
jee kirjoitti:In the end maybe it's right way to live, the true holy path no one else understands.

It's hard to develop so much compassion with one self and others and stop hurting one self and others and even get no admission aside of liberation. To get save of Mara is not no picnic and that is why this battle has a dimension far above hero and enemies of the day.

So that is why you, even you are not capable for your self, should honor and respect such sages who are willing to do this battle. Support them, encourage them if they are down. Like a mother (here self not the wisest) would encourage the child to go to school and learn. If people come with there cheap excuses to justify and even advertise there low ways, put them even higher as the path, they do not only cut themselves of but their "friends" (food) as well.

One needs to kick one self before one is really able to have that compassion (not affection) to give freedom and relief. As for Arny, he also thought that he is able to change Samsara and soon had to figure out that there is only taking part on corruption or being "killed". You may have as much past merits one could have, even the Buddha didn't give such a thought and pushed Mara away as he one day approached him, telling him he would be the man to change the world and rule it.

Learn to be a real friend and give your beloved freedom and only needed support.

:clock: Time is running.

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ViestiKirjoittaja jee » 22 Maalis 2014 11:28

I like your style even if I disagree with you. :angel5:

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ViestiKirjoittaja jee » 22 Maalis 2014 12:10

Johann kirjoitti:To get save of Mara is not no picnic and that is why this battle has a dimension far above
Well there are women who are really beautiful and can fullfill all your dreams. Not just a vision of it. All that doesn't prevent you from having spiritual life if you are careful.

One thing I can't understand. Why one have to go to monastery and have a really boring life, If one can achieve all those same things while living family life in a modern society?

:brave:

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ViestiKirjoittaja Johann » 24 Maalis 2014 10:57

jee kirjoitti:I like your style even if I disagree with you. :angel5:


That is maybe because you seek for identification and mating targets rather that for wisdom. :)

jee kirjoitti:
Johann kirjoitti:To get save of Mara is not no picnic and that is why this battle has a dimension far above
Well there are women who are really beautiful and can fullfill all your dreams. Not just a vision of it. All that doesn't prevent you from having spiritual life if you are careful.

One thing I can't understand. Why one have to go to monastery and have a really boring life, If one can achieve all those same things while living family life in a modern society?

:brave:


Magandiya Sutta: To Magandiya
[Magandiya offers his daughter to the Buddha, who replies:]
On seeing [the daughters of Mara]
— Discontent, Craving, & Passion —
there wasn't even the desire for sex.
So what would I want with this,
filled with urine & excrement?
I wouldn't want to touch it
even with my foot.

Magandiya:
If you don't want
this gem of a woman, coveted
by many kings,
then for what sort of viewpoint,
precept, practice, life,
attainment of [further] becoming
do you argue?

... Sn 4.9


It's a hard stuff and easy to misunderstood.

And here some of "modern" teachers:

A still forest pool,Ven. Ajahn Chah kirjoitti:Practice for the Householder

You have often asked about the path of the householder. Household life is both hard and easy hard to do, easy to understand. It is as if you were to come complaining to me with a red-hot coal in your hand, and I were to tell you to simply drop it. "No, I won't," you say. "I want it to be cold." Either you must drop it, or you must learn to be very patient.

"How can I drop it?" you ask. Can you just drop your family? Drop it in your heart. Let go of your inner attachment. You are like a bird that has laid eggs; you have a responsibility to sit with and hatch them. Otherwise, they will become rotten.

You may want the members of your family to appreciate you, to understand why you act in certain ways, yet they may not. Their attitude may be intolerant, closed-minded. If the father is a thief and the son disapproves, is he a bad child? Explain things as well as you can, make an honest effort, then let go. If you have a pain and go to the doctor, but he and all his medicines cannot cure it, what can you do but let it go?

If you think in terms of my family, my practice, this kind of self-centered view is just another cause of suffering. Do not think of finding happiness, either living with others or living alone-just live with the Dharma. Buddhism helps to work out problems, but we must practice and develop wisdom first. You do not just throw rice into a potful of water and immediately have boiled rice. You have to build the fire, bring the water to a boil, and let the rice cook long enough. With wisdom, problems can eventually be solved by taking into account the karma of beings. Understanding family life, you can really learn about karma, about cause and effect, and can begin to take care of your action in the future.

Practicing in a group, in a monastery, or at a retreat is not so hard; you are too embarrassed to miss sittings with others. But when you go home, you find it difficult; you say that you are lazy or unable to find time. You give away your personal power, projecting it onto others, onto situations or teachers outside yourself. Just wake up! You create your own world. Do you want to practice or not?

Just as we monks must strive with our precepts and ascetic practices, developing the discipline that leads to freedom, so you lay people must do likewise. As you practice in your homes, you should endeavour to refine the basic precepts. Strive to put body and speech in order. Make real effort, practice continuously. As for concentrating the mind, do not give up because you have tried it once or twice and are not at peace. Why should it not take a long time? How long have you let your mind wander as it wished without
doing anything to control it? How long have you allowed it to lead you around by the nose? Is it any. wonder that a month or two is not enough to still it?

Of course, the mind is hard to train. When a horse is really stubborn, do not feed it for a while-it will come around. When it starts to follow the right.
course, feed it a little. The beauty of our way of life is that the mind can be trained. With our own right effort, we can come to wisdom.

To live the lay life and practice Dharma, one must be in the world but remain above it. Virtue, beginning with the five basic precepts, is all important, parent to all good things. It is the basis for removing wrong from the mind, removing the cause of distress and agitation. Make virtue really firm. Then practice your formal meditation when the opportunity presents itself. Sometimes the meditation will be good, sometimes not. Do not worry about it, just continue. If doubts arise, just realize that they, like everything else in the mind, are impermanent.

As you continue, concentration will arise. Use it to develop wisdom. See like and dislike arising from sense contact and do not attach to them. Do not be anxious for results or quick progress. An infant first crawls, then learns to walk, then to run. Just be firm in your virtue and keep practicing.


And, even the myths is different. If you have the possibility to live the holy life, a layman live is really no match.

Just to get an literary idea if not seen by oneself yet, if no foreshadow at all or to give faith if some foreshadow are already there:

[url=http://zugangzureinsicht.org/html/tipitaka/kn/snp/snp.1.12.than_en.html]Muni Sutta: The Sage


Danger is born from intimacy,[1]
society gives birth to dust.[2]
Free from intimacy,
free from society:
such is the vision of the sage.

....[/quote]

With that I will leave you small community again. Thanks a lot for all your care and support.

Dear Santeri, stand your ground. You are always welcome and take care of Mara, he appears so fast and you would not easy identify him in your mind.

You are always invited and welcome as told on some places here and there.

Kuva

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Re: Being an Ex-Buddhist Monk

ViestiKirjoittaja ... » 24 Maalis 2014 13:12

jee kirjoitti:
One thing I can't understand. Why one have to go to monastery and have a really boring life, If one can achieve all those same things while living family life in a modern society?

:brave:


For what it is worth, here's my opinion: not everyone is suited for monastic lifestyle. That's why Siddhartha taught many paths, including Vajrayana - let's not get into Dharma© debate, that's whole different topic, and needs it's own thread. Supposedly, in the later years of Buddha, he taught Vajrayana to those who didn't want to give up anything, but still wanted to achieve enlightenment. King Suchandra was one of those, and first Tantra teaching - Kalachakra - was taught to him. The legend tells us, that when Siddhartha taught these teachings, he first asked all those to whom it was too much, to leave the place.

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Re: Being an Ex-Buddhist Monk

ViestiKirjoittaja jee » 24 Maalis 2014 23:29

Raitanator kirjoitti:For what it is worth, here's my opinion: not everyone is suited for monastic lifestyle. That's why Siddhartha taught many paths, including Vajrayana...Supposedly, in the later years of Buddha, he taught Vajrayana to those who didn't want to give up anything, but still wanted to achieve enlightenment.
Hey thanks, going to read about this.


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